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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  The drugs have clouded his mind, his eyes look like a man broken inside, unfortunately it is all his doing he had it all and blow it all away
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  The King of the North as you Never Heard ity Explained Before

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
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  https://youtu.be/w32nome-k20?si=a8bhxh5tjrkomgzq.

  rather than seeing the king of the north as the final opponent of god’s people, i propose that daniel 11 points to a completely different figure.

  while the watchtower society focuses on the struggle between these two kings, they overlook a third entity mentioned in verse 40, but let’s ready this verse first from the new world translation.

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  The way i see it in 2025 rhe king of the south is the United States and the king on the North is Russia, they both have a role to play when it comes to the land of Israel although Rissia's power and it's allies in the area has greatly diminished. Both will come to their end by a third leader the Antichrist who will rise in the Middle East and resurrect the Muslim Caliphate at the time of the End ,that gas been the dream of every Muslim since their last caliphate came to an End because of infighting. This ruler is not Trump or Putin.
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  HAS THE WATCHTOWER GONE SOFT ON HOMOSEXUALITY?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
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  https://youtu.be/trt197bko98?si=l_5wnlasm-aaxlh1.

  once upon a time, the watchtower had no qualms about making its stance on homosexuality crystal clear.

  back in the 1970s, they didn't just oppose it—they called it "detestable.

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  https://youtu.be/TRt197Bko98?si=l_5WnlaSm-AaxLH1

  Once upon a time, the Watchtower had no qualms about making its stance on homosexuality crystal clear. Back in the 1970s, they didn't just oppose it—they called it "detestable." No sugarcoating, no careful wording, just good old-fashioned fire and brimstone. In a 1970 issue of *The Watchtower*, they put it bluntly:
  > "Yes, even if homosexuality be legalized, even if it becomes ever so popular, even if the whole world becomes like Sodom and Gomorrah, yet for Christians the truth of God’s Word still stands—homosexuality is something detestable, both to Jehovah God and moral man."
  Subtle, wasn’t it? You could almost hear the righteous indignation dripping from the page. Back then, the message was loud and clear: homosexuality was bad, God hated it, and that was that.
  Fast-forward a few decades, and suddenly, the Watchtower started getting a little... shall we say, diplomatic? By the 1990s and 2000s, the rhetoric had undergone a curious transformation. The doctrine hadn’t changed—oh no, absolutely not—but the wording? Now, that was another matter. The fire-and-brimstone approach was quietly swapped for something a bit more palatable. Take this gem from a 2016 *Awake!* magazine:
  > "Although the Bible condemns homosexual acts, it does not encourage prejudice, hate crimes, or any other kind of mistreatment of homosexuals."
  Ah, how the times had changed! No longer were they thumping the Bible with quite the same gusto. Instead of hammering home the old "homosexuality is detestable" mantra, they now preferred a softer touch, something that wouldn't send the modern, more progressive world into an uproar. After all, hate speech laws are a real thing now, and the Watchtower is nothing if not mindful of its public image.
  But the cherry on top? Their newfound love for the Golden Rule:
  > "Jehovah’s Witnesses strive to follow the Golden Rule by treating others the way they themselves would like to be treated."
  A touching sentiment, really. Almost makes you forget that not too long ago, they were happy to declare that homosexuals were bound for fiery destruction. Now, it's all about "respect" and "treating others kindly"—not because they’ve suddenly developed a newfound compassion, mind you, but because, well... the governments are watching. And if there’s one thing the Watchtower understands, it’s money.
  You see, they’re not daft. In a world where LGBTQ rights are enshrined in law, where inclusivity is the golden standard, and where spewing outright condemnation could land you in legal or financial hot water, it simply wouldn’t do to be too explicit. So, out went the verses about "men lying with men" and all that jazz—at least in public materials. Because, let’s be honest, if they were to air those on JW Broadcasting or splash them across *The Watchtower* today, it wouldn’t take long before the lawsuits came knocking and their tax-exempt status started looking rather precarious.
  So here we are. The doctrine hasn’t changed, but the message? That’s been polished to a fine corporate sheen. They still believe the same things, of course, but they’ve learned the art of saying it without actually saying it. After all, it’s much easier to appear loving and inclusive when you carefully curate your wording, isn’t it?
  This is exactly what they used to condemn in so-called "false religion"—Babylon the Great. They accused mainstream churches of compromising with the world, watering down their message to stay in favor with the authorities. And yet, here they are, doing the very same thing. They still believe homosexuality is wrong, but they’ve switched from shouting about Sodom and Gomorrah to vague messages of "respect" and "love." They won’t dare put the clear-cut Bible verses in their public materials anymore—because talking the talk is easy, but walking the walk? That could cost them.
  At the end of the day, the Watchtower is no different from the religions they claimed to be separate from. They claim to be fearless preachers of truth, but when money and legal trouble are on the line, they soften their tone just like Babylon the Great. The only difference? They still pretend they haven’t changed at all.
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  The King of the North as you Never Heard ity Explained Before

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/w32nome-k20?si=a8bhxh5tjrkomgzq.

  rather than seeing the king of the north as the final opponent of god’s people, i propose that daniel 11 points to a completely different figure.

  while the watchtower society focuses on the struggle between these two kings, they overlook a third entity mentioned in verse 40, but let’s ready this verse first from the new world translation.

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  raymond frantz

  Vidiot 🤣🤣🤣

  A little click bait never hurt anyone
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  Beroean Pickets - Is there a problem?

  by BoogerMan in

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  having watched the latest offering from beroean pickets - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpuelgtf4ka - i contributed the following factual information along with several consolidating scriptures:.

  "naos - metaphorically the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in christ,

  of a company of christians, a christian church, as dwelt in by the spirit of god.

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  So who do you think is the great crowd booger man?
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  The King of the North as you Never Heard ity Explained Before

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/w32nome-k20?si=a8bhxh5tjrkomgzq.

  rather than seeing the king of the north as the final opponent of god’s people, i propose that daniel 11 points to a completely different figure.

  while the watchtower society focuses on the struggle between these two kings, they overlook a third entity mentioned in verse 40, but let’s ready this verse first from the new world translation.

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  raymond frantz

  https://youtu.be/w32nomE-K20?si=a8BhXh5tjRKOmgzq

  Rather than seeing the King of the North as the final opponent of God’s people, I propose that Daniel 11 points to a completely different figure. While the Watchtower Society focuses on the struggle between these two kings, they overlook a third entity mentioned in verse 40, but let’s ready this verse first from the New World Translation. There, it says:
  "At the time of the end, the King of the South will engage with him in a pushing, and against him, the King of the North will storm with chariots and horsemen and many ships, sweeping through like a flood."
  A quick reading of the verse will have you believe that there are only 2 kings fighting out in this verse, the King of the North and the King of the South but look again and a third separate King is emerging.
  First of all, there is an ambiguity in the use of the pronoun, Him.Who is "Him"? The first subject “the king of the South” is engaging Him in battle, whereas the second subject, “the king of the North," comes against him with chariots and horsemen and ships.
  This unclear pronoun ("him") suggests a distinct third party, separate from the king of the South and the king of the North.
  If "him" referred to either the king of the South or North, the sentence would logically state this explicitly. Instead, the construction implies that both the king of the South and the king of the North are interacting with a third figure.
  Secondly, the military actions taken here differ. What do i mean by this?
  The king of the South in the original Hebrew rendering is actually the one who initiates battle, the verse's original rendering says that "He will push at him"—a "phrase" implying provocation or challenge.On the other hand, the king of the North does not merely respond; he storms against him, the original rendering is "he will come like a whirlwind", with an overwhelming military force.
  So this ambigious HIM suggests a neutral power caught between the king of the North and the king of the South.
  The intensity and escalation suggest a third party being overwhelmed, not merely a reciprocal war between two known kings.
  Now, the new picture emerges that supports this understanding once you read the previous 4 verses. Daniel 11:36-39 describes a ruler who exalts himself above all gods, showing no regard for traditional deities.This is the ambiguous HIM.We read there about a
  King who is not described as the King of the North or the King of the South but as a HIM and when we read the verses in their entirety that becomes apparent. Let's read together:
  "The king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt himself and magnify himself above every god; and against the God of gods he will speak astonishing things. And he will prove successful until the denunciation comes to a finish; because what is determined must take place. 37 He will show no regard for the God of his fathers; nor will he show regard for the desire of women or for any other god, but he will magnify himself over everyone. 38 But instead he will give glory to the god of fortresses; to a god that his fathers did not know he will give glory by means of gold and silver and precious stones and desirable things. 39 He will act effectively against the most fortified strongholds, along with a foreign god. He will give great glory to those who give him recognition, and he will make them rule among many; and the ground he will apportion out for a price. 40 “In the time of the end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and horsemen and many ships; and he will enter into the lands and sweep through like a flood."
  Historically, these verses were fulfilled in part by Antiochus IV Epiphanes, a Seleucid ruler who desecrated the Jewish temple and installed the worship of Zeus. However, many aspects of this prophecy were not entirely fulfilled by Antiochus, leading some Christians, including myself, to believe that this prophecy has a future fulfilment.
  I argue that Daniel 11 points to the well known figure by many other places of the Bible the Antichrist the ultimate figure of power in the last days and what Daniel 11:40 actually says when you open your eyes to this possibility and read a third king in this verse as i made my case earlier them a completely different scenario emerges
  The Antichrist will not merely be another King of the North OR the South but a ruler who surpasses and destroys both the King of the North and the King of the South. This interpretation is one that aligns with the Book of Revelation, which speaks of a world ruler who consolidates power before the final battle at Armageddon. For example we read in
  Revelation 13:7,8:"It was given power(=the beast, the Antichrist) to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life." You see there is no king of the North or king of the South here ONLY the Antichrist. Why? Because Daniel 11:40 has already taken place, both these kings have been destroyed. So this is past Daniel 11:40.
  If this understanding is correct, then today’s King of the North (which the Watchtower identifies as Russia) and the King of the South (likely the United States) are temporary players in a larger conflict. Eventually, the Antichrist will emerge, exploiting a global crisis or power vacuum—possibly linked to instability in Israel and the Middle East. Given current geopolitical shifts, such a scenario is becoming increasingly plausible. For instance, President Donald Trump suggested only few days ago withdrawing NATO forces from Europe, which could create a power void that the Antichrist could exploit.
  You need more evidence? Read Revelation 16:14:"They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth(=where are the kings of the North and the king of the South?), to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty"
  The final confrontation involves "the kings of the Earth" uniting against Christ. Interestingly, the King of the North and the King of the South are not mentioned in this ultimate battle, this again suggests they have already been eliminated. This supports the idea that the Antichrist will consolidate power and remove these two opposing forces before Christ’s return.
  So what is the final take here? The traditional Watchtower interpretation of Daniel 11 focuses too much on identifying the King of the North in a way that aligns with their historical experiences. However, a broader examination suggests that this prophecy is not merely about a continuous political struggle but about the emergence of a final world ruler—the Antichrist—who will surpass and destroy both the King of the North and the King of the South.
  While the Watchtower continues to emphasize Russia as the King of the North, this perspective does not hold up under scrutiny. If the prophecy is truly about the final world power, then we should be looking beyond mere geopolitical struggles to a more significant end-times figure who will usher in the final tribulation before Christ’s return.
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  New Footage of the Kingdom Hall that Recetly Was Converted to a Mosque

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://youtu.be/2rovtysbopm?si=gqazzq-lowyk3js0.

  with islam being one of the fastest-growing religions in the uk, there’s more need for mosques.

  so when an old church goes up for sale, it’s not exactly surprising that someone might want to turn it into a mosque.

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  This kind of mentality has turned Britain to a communist caliphate, When you read history you see how Europeans fought for centuries to keep their lands free from this deathly cult ,now we use hurty words like "Islamophobia" to justify our enforced population replacement. In a couple of generations this great nation of Britain will cease to exist...and this is all by design
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  U turn on LGBT

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  feb broadcast they have a drama about someone who works with a colleague who is gay.. they actually make it sound like the jws are the only ones who support him and is tolerant of him and everyone else is against him🤣.

  after all these years they try gaslighting and saying we are the ones who are tolerant and everyone else is not!!!.

  you couldn’t make this up.. after this monumental u turn now, what about all the gay people who were born in’s who have been shunned by their own family?.

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  Yes this was a slightly departure for sure
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  New Footage of the Kingdom Hall that Recetly Was Converted to a Mosque

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
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  https://youtu.be/2rovtysbopm?si=gqazzq-lowyk3js0.

  with islam being one of the fastest-growing religions in the uk, there’s more need for mosques.

  so when an old church goes up for sale, it’s not exactly surprising that someone might want to turn it into a mosque.

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  https://youtu.be/2roVtYSbOpM?si=gqAzZQ-lowyK3jS0

  With Islam being one of the fastest-growing religions in the UK, there’s more need for mosques. So when an old church goes up for sale, it’s not exactly surprising that someone might want to turn it into a mosque. Makes sense, right? Well, not so fast because unlike Jehovah’s Witnesses the Church of England is putting up a fight.
  Take what happened in Hanley, Staffordshire last year. A group called the Zamir Foundation bought a disused Anglican church and got permission to convert it into a mosque. But before they could even roll out the prayer mats, the Church of England stepped in and said, "Not so fast."
  Turns out, when the church was sold back in 2009, a little legal clause was tucked into the paperwork saying the building could never be used for worship by another religion. So, despite it being empty for decades, despite the fact that no one from the Church of England was actually using it, and despite the fact that a growing community needed a place to pray, the answer was still a firm “no.”
  Now, this isn’t a one-off. The Church of England has been doing this for years. Whenever they sell off a church, they slap on a "no other religions" rule, making sure it never becomes a mosque, temple, or anything else that isn’t Christian. You’ve got to admire their commitment to the brand.
  But here’s where it gets really interesting. While the Anglicans are busy protecting their old churches from becoming mosques, Jehovah’s Witnesses couldn’t care less, yes these pompous Kingdom Hall dedication talks were for the birds.
  Unlike the Church of England, they don’t bother with any legal nonsense about who can buy them or what they can be turned into. Mosque? Sure. Hindu temple? Why not. Office space? Go for it. As long as the cheque clears, it’s yours.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Sorry Lloyd we don't any pedophile scum back home, we have enough already with the local Pakistani rape gangs...and i want to keep you true to your word that you will never join Jehovah’s Witnesses again...you're not getting out of this one you slimeball